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Livestock animals wouldn't exist without agriculture as most are a product of heavy breeding but I wouldn't say they can't exist survive in the wild. There are many descendants of livestock living in the wild with populations of pigs, goats, cows, and horses all over the place. Yes absolutely. I've had the beekeeping discussions with vegans many times (I'm a beekeeper) and the number of misconceptions out there are mindboggling and it is really a topic unto itself but there are three common points of contention. I just realized, arent't we (and also vegans) extremely dependant on beekeeping?


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